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AND FINALLY .......
The Invoice to Jezebel

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Ephesians 6:12 Authorized (King James) Version

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Proverbs 6:31 Authorized (King James) Version

31 but if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold;
he shall give all the substance of his house.

1)  IT IS OUR CONTENTION THAT JEZEBEL ENTERED THE MINISTRY OF CLIVE STANLEY BATE thus leaving this ministry the mess of Jezebellic chaos to sort out.

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1)  JEZEBELLIC CHAOS ONE:
The Non-Domestic Rates of £6,020-84. Trustees have agreed to take responsibility for this, help coming from voluntary donations (we need a lot more). We contested this on the following grounds:

1)  That as a registered charity, it is not customary to have to pay full non-domestic rates on property used for non-profit purposes.

2)  We as a charity never had keys for the property, the equipment inside not fully being paid for by the Charity, thus still owned by the Landlord, therefore surely the principle that if we have not put anything of ours in the property, then rates should not be owed.

3)  That on taking the lease we were told that there would be no such charges.

4)  The previous tenant paid no such charges.

5)  We accept the witness from David Seal that the shop was open for a fortnight, it being run by Clive Stanley Bate, he having bought stock on the Charity Credit Card but gave in no income from the retail sales of that stock, so if rates are due, then it should not be paid by us.

INVOICE TO JEZEBEL - £6,020-82

HOW WE WERE PERSUADED BY JEZEBEL through Clive Bate ..........

TO DAVE & ALL TRUSTEES OF LCMI,

I CONSIDER THAT AS NORMAL IN GOD'S PERFECT TIMING GOD HAS PROVIDED A
MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR INCOME FLOW AND  AT THE SAME TIME
REACH MANY MORE SOULS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS
CHRIST.

WITHIN THE BUILDING , HOLTON HOUSE, FROM WHICH WE MINISTER CURRENTLY
TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND AT THE SAME TIME DECLARING THE SOVEREIGNENTY OF
THE KING OF KINGS WHO IS LORD OF LORDS OVER BARRY, WALES , THE UK AND
THE WHOLE WORLD AS WE ARE OBEDIENT TO MARK 16: 15 PUSHING EVER FORWARD
WITH THE VISION OF REES HOWELLS.

THE PROPERTY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF AND IT
HAS 2 FLOORS WITH A GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE SERVING AREA
FOR THE PUBLIC PLUS A SEPARATE EXIT. THERE IS ALSO A LARGE FOOD
PREPARATION AREA AND BOTH THE SERVING AREA AND THE FOOD PREPARATION
AREA ARE VERY WELL EQUIPPED. IT ALSO HAS A TOILET. IT CURRENTLY HAS
THE HIGHEST HYGEINE RATING WHICH IS 5.

THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH.

THERE IS NO GAS AND I AM ASSURED THAT THE ELECTRIC IS QUITE AFFORDABLE
ON A VERY AFFORDABLE TARIFF.

THE ITEMS WE CAN SELL TO MAKE PROFIT ARE PORRIDGE, SANDWICHES,
SOUP, RED BUSH NATURALLY CAFFEINE FREE TEA, HOT PUDDINGS AND ICECREAM
ALL AT A £.

A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN INTRODUCED ME TO HIS DAUGHTER WHO RUNS THE CAFE
IN THE MARKET AT BESSEMER ROAD IN CARDIFF WHO THEN INTRODUCED ME TO
HER OLD SCHOOL WHOLSALER, TONY WHO WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ME
PROVIDING SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD AND THERE WAS NOBODY IN THIS MARKET SO
WE WOULD BE PIONEERING THE INTRODUCTION OF SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD LIKE
THE OLD SHOOL STEWS AND SOUPS.

OUR COSTS WOULD BE MINIMAL ESPECIALLY AS WE WOULD BE USING VOLUNTEERS.

CONTAINERS FOR BEVERAGES CAN BE PURCHASED AT £1.95 - £3.00 PER SLEEVE.

GROSS PROFIT MARGIN SHOULD RANGE FROM 50% TO 80%.

WITH SPREADING THE KJV WORD OF GOD WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK DIRECT TO
CUSTOMERS, GIVE OUT LITERATURE, PLAY MEDIA AND SHOW VIDEOS PLUS
EDUCATE THROUGH POSTERS.

I BELIEVE TAKING ON THIS ENTERPRISE WILL ENABLE US TO DO MUCH MORE
GIVING OUT THE GOSPEL AND ENABLE US TO BE ON A MORE SOUND FINANCIAL
BASE AND BE WELL PLACED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.

VINCE HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE CHARITY GIVES HIM A SMALL FLEXIBLE
REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT SO THAT THE PREMISES ARE OURS AND HE WILL NO
LONGER NEED TO DEAL WITH THE GROWING QUEUE OF COMPETITORS TO OURSELVES.

SHALOM, VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

2)  THAT THE SHOP LOSSES IN BARRY, SOUTH WALES BE SPIRITUALLY INVOICED TO THE JEZEBEL .......
That the LCMI Trust reclaim from the above named spirit the following sums:

TOTAL LOSS ON SHOP

SINCE MARCH 2018 =                       £13,000-17 that includes lack of sales, non accounting of expenditure plus non-accounting from Barry of the financial year 17-18 that have already be covered by trustees who prefer this loss money to be use for furthering the Gospel,
 

£36,118-27 owing from non-accounting of 17-18 plus 18-19 period plus £13,000-17 = £49,118-44
 

In addition, I propose that in intercessory warfare we claim back to the Charity in relation to the considerable amount of administrative time and stress on volunteers, also for the considerable impact this has had in relation to the building of the Trust’s Mission House in Sri Lanka, that because of the actions of Clive Stanley Bate, has resulted in considerable delays in its completion, and pressure on us from Sri Lankan legal protocol to complete. (Our sister ministry has now in 2024 sorted this out and progressed without our financial support that was to come through this shop.)
 

In addition, the figure does not include compensation to the LCMI Trust for use of its charity name after Clive Stanley Bate’s resignation. We have photographic evidence of this being the case, and copies of letters to those he did business with clearly under our name. WE SEE THIS A MAJOR FRAUD!
 

Evidences:

The written promises and assurances that were not fulfilled, after Clive Stanley Bate applied considerable pressure on trustees for which we have strong primary evidence, plus secondary written statements.
 

  • The Obtaining of the Sandwich Bar to be known as the “Holy Ghost Snack Bar” at 50c Holton Road, Barry, South Wales.

 

Background:

Clive Stanley Bate (d.o.b.05/03/1943) of 10, St Hilary Court, CARDIFF, CF5 5EF, was a minister and trustee of the Charity for a number of years. The headquarters of his ministry for the last 2 years approximately, was at 50, Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE, where the offices he used were rented from Cllr. Vincent P Driscoll.
 

Throughout most of his time as trustee, CB ran a full-time ministry, also generating income through voluntary offerings, and collections from local supermarkets. This income was paid into the Charity to meet his office rent and mileage expenses, a system which worked well until March, 2018, from where we contend that Jezrbel entered in and wreaked havoc.
 

Summary:
 

11th. January 2018: CB contacted Trustees with massive assurances, both spiritual & practical, concerning potential lease of a sandwich bar in the same buildings as his existing offices at Barry. These included the following: that there was great demand for this sandwich bar; that Vince (the landlord) had said that if we had problems, he was willing to cancel the lease as long as we gave him 2 months to find new tenants; & that business rates were between £5 & zero each month.
 

22nd. February 2018: CB informed trustees through DG that the sandwich shop at 50 C Holton Road, Barry, was now available for lease. The landlord was the same Cllr. Driscoll, who would be more than happy to lease it to the Charity.

CB was hugely enthusiastic re this opportunity to generate income for the Charity while continuing with evangelistic outreach in this new setting.

 

CB further assured us that he had 2 catering companies supporting us, and one African cook (even looking at the possibility of night-time use as an African takeaway).
 

By 23rd. February 2018: CB assured DG of ability to produce a sandwich for 20p and sell it for £1. Further, that the project would be entirely staffed by volunteers, so nil staff costs. Daily target to cover all costs would be only £50, since CB had calculated weekly costs would be around £302.
 

As a direct result of CB’s enthusiasm & his previous track record of fund-raising, Trustees agreed to the sandwich bar being leased by the Charity & operated locally by CB on the Charity’s behalf. It was felt that funds generated could help towards current project of building a Mission House in Sri Lanka (where land had already been gifted by our affiliated College there).
 

On 12th. March, 2018: The Lease agreement for 50C Holton Road commenced; a 3-year lease from 12/03/18 to 11/03/21 at £149 per week. There was also catering equipment in the sandwich bar which it was agreed would be purchased by the Charity by means of instalments.
 

March – May 2018: This was a time of very hard work on behalf of the Charity to support CB who was understood to be recruiting & training volunteers, to open & run the sandwich bar. The following help was provided:
 

·       A series of agreed policies & procedures

·       Summary Action List

·       Insurance Policy (shop package)

·       Display Posters

·       Series of labelled Charity Collection Tins
 

Also exchange of information concerning electricity provider (see CB email of 28/04/19).
 

Three months later, by late June, 2018, the sandwich bar had still not opened, with items having been purchased using the Charity credit card in CB’s possession, but not accounted for (no receipts, no annual report).
 

This situation began to put pressure on the limited finances of the Charity, so the Finance Sub-Committee felt unable to fully fund the sandwich bar until it at least broke even.
 

Shortly after this on 2nd. July 2018, CB sent us as picture of a volunteer. However, only a week later, on 9th. July 2018, while DG & BM were away on mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo, CB unexpectedly intimated his decision to resign as Trustee of LCMI Trust, thus leaving the Charity with a very difficult financial situation to resolve as best they could.
 

A very detailed account of these expenses is given below. Briefly, they consisted of:

·       The remaining 32 months of the 3-year Lease

·       The remaining amount to purchase the catering equipment

·       Shop Insurance to resolve

·       Possible Utility bills

·       Possible Business Rates

·       Food etc. purchased for trading, yet not accounted for
 

This was not all! We later found that CB had purchased a portable PDQ machine without proper Trustee approval - & that he had then acquired a second machine, again without Trustee approval!
 

Thus Trustees were left with a situation where, despite great assurances of the sandwich bar being a great evangelistic & business opportunity for the Charity, it was now vacant, CB having suddenly resigned, with all the associated expenses now left with the Charity. Worse still there had been a breach of trust (covenant), of the Charity’s Conflict of Interest & Loyalty Policy, & unauthorised trustee benefits (purchases of goods & expenses un-receipted & un-accounted for).
 

This situation continues unresolved to this day. We have frequently communicated with Former Trustee CB, but the main matter remains unresolved to date. We have really tried our best to have team-work, openness & transparency & mutual co-operation in this, but as yet to little avail. We contend that we are not working with flesh and blood here but a victim of Jezebel that needs to come out in the open.
 

 The Email proofs sent by Clive Stanley Bate

E MAIL 1: THE PROOF OF PERSUASION OF TRUSTEES AND ASSURANCES

  • From the following e mail CB declares a race for the shop, and that Cllr Vince Driscoll prefers us to have it, that there is great demand for it so a three year lease was agreed so as to protect our Charity from increases, CB declaring that Vince had agreed that if we had problems then as long as we give him 2 months to find new tenants we would be released from the lease, Vince being a “better flexible friend” than a credit card. A deal which we took for equipment is mentioned as is the business rate charge, all of this being now questionable.

01 03 18 ………..

"THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH."  

 

E MAIL 2: CB BUSINESS ARRANGEMENTS

  • This proves CB being very much in charge of the situation and we trusted him.

HOLY GHOST SNAKBAR ELEC

 

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE <clive.cbchristian.bate@googlemail.com>

Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 15:34

 

 

to me

 

FORMER TENANT :-

CAROLE MACKINTOSH
BOX FRESH CATERING Co
50C HOLTON ROAD
BARRY
CF63 4HE


AS PER LEASE WE TOOK OVER PROPERTY FROM 12/03/2018

Ist METER READINGS WERE;
                                   LOW   024425  &  NORMAL   506463

MOST CURRENT METER READINGS ARE:-
                                   LOW   024447 &  NORMAL    506564.

PLEASE NOTIFY BES UTILITIES THAT WE NOW ARE USING THIS PROPERTY SINCE
WE HAVE LEASED IT STARTING FROM 12/03/2018.

ROBERT THE COMMERCIAL AGENT WHO CAN BE CONTACTED ON 07539117870 WHO I
HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO SAID THAT BES UTILITIES NEED A COPY OF BOTH THE
FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE LEASE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE TAKEN 50C HOLTON
ROAD OVER.

KNOWING SOMETHING OF BES UTILITIES I WOULD SUGGEST CHECKING WITH HIM
EXACTLY WHO YO CONTACT AND HOW.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED A FORWARDED COPY OF THE EMAIL SENT
TO ME AT 17.21 ON 26/04/2018 BY PHIL ROBIN OF GREEN ENERGY.

I DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS THE CHEAPEST BUT I DEAL WITH GREEN ENERGY
MYSELF AND FIND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND ARE EASY TO CONTACT
BEING UK BASED. HE IS AWARE OF THE SPECIAL REDUCTIONS AVAILABLE TO US
AS A CHARITABLE TRUST. HE HIMSELF HAS A GOOD REPUTATION  AND WORKS
LATE TO 18.00 AND HAS HIS DOG IN THE OFFICE.

I TRUST WE CAN GET THIS ELECTRICITY SORTED OUT.

REGARDING THE WATER WE SHOULD NOW NOT BE CUT OFF, BUT I NEED TO FIND
OUT WHERE THE WATER METER IS FROM VINCE SINCE DWR CYMRU DO NOT KNOW
AND IT MAY BE THAT THE WATER IS INCLUDED IN THE RENT WE PAY VINCE.

AS WELL AS GETTING YOUR END SORTED OUT I TRUST YOU CAN FIND SOME TIME TO SLEEP.

SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

 

E MAIL 3: CB COMMUNICATION OF PROPERTY BEING LET

  • This was given in January of 2018, we now being referred to as “guys” an phrase alien to our culture, and not been used by CB before to our remembrance.

 

revclive@awjcg.co.uk

Tue, 8 Jan, 08:47

 

 

to me, REV

 

GREETINGS YOU GUYS,

AT THE START OF THIS 2019 HERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS.

YESTERDAY I SENT A MAN TO HARRY , VINCE'S SON WHO GAVE HIM THE KEY TO 50C.

HE VIEWED 50C WITH ANOTHER GENTLEMAN.

THIS MORNING AT 8.08 THE " TO LET " SIGN WAS CHANGED TO " LET BY KNIGHTS ".

YOU CAN SEE THIS AS A STEP FORWARD IN THIS 2019.

SHALOM , VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive


E MAIL 4: CB SUMMARY OF ASSURANCES

  • Here is a reference to “God’s perfect timing”, but we now ask which God? Here the whole vision is outlined to us very firmly, and after doing all this, getting trustees to agree he walked out on us leaving us the bills.

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE

Thu, 1 Mar 2018, 00:32

 

 

to me

 

TO DAVE & ALL TRUSTEES OF LCMI,

I CONSIDER THAT AS NORMAL IN GOD'S PERFECT TIMING GOD HAS PROVIDED A
MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR INCOME FLOW AND  AT THE SAME TIME
REACH MANY MORE SOULS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS
CHRIST.

WITHIN THE BUILDING , HOLTON HOUSE, FROM WHICH WE MINISTER CURRENTLY
TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND AT THE SAME TIME DECLARING THE SOVEREIGNENTY OF
THE KING OF KINGS WHO IS LORD OF LORDS OVER BARRY, WALES , THE UK AND
THE WHOLE WORLD AS WE ARE OBEDIENT TO MARK 16: 15 PUSHING EVER FORWARD
WITH THE VISION OF REES HOWELLS.

THE PROPERTY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF AND IT
HAS 2 FLOORS WITH A GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE SERVING AREA
FOR THE PUBLIC PLUS A SEPARATE EXIT. THERE IS ALSO A LARGE FOOD
PREPARATION AREA AND BOTH THE SERVING AREA AND THE FOOD PREPARATION
AREA ARE VERY WELL EQUIPPED. IT ALSO HAS A TOILET. IT CURRENTLY HAS
THE HIGHEST HYGEINE RATING WHICH IS 5.

THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE 4 PEOPLE ARE AFTER IT
ALREADY ACCORDING TO VINCE THIS LUNCHTIME.

VINCE WOULD PREFER US TO RUN THE CATERING OPERATION AS HE KNOWS US AND
KNOWS WHAT WE DO.

THE DEAL THAT OLD SCHOOL VINCE IS OFFERING THE CHARITY IS A WEEKLY
RENT OF £146.00 WITH AN UP FRONT PAYMENT OF 4/5 WEEKS FOLLOWED WITH
RENT OF 146.00 BEING PAID WEEKLY ON A 2 YEAR OR LONGER LEASE AS TO OUR
CHOICE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED THAT A LONGER TERM LEASE  PROTECTS
OUR CHARITY FROM RENT INCREASES AND CAN FETCH A BETTTER PRICE IN THE
MARKET PLACE, HOWEVER I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A MAJOR
CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
VINCE.

VINCE HAS ALSO SAID THAT TO HELP US SHOULD WE HAVE PROBLEMS HE IS
WILLING TO CANCEL THE LEASE AS LONG AS WE GIVE HIM 2 MONTHS TO FIND
NEW TENANTS. WE COULD SAY THAT VINCE IS A BETTER FLEXIBLE FRIEND THAN
A CREDIT CARD.

VINCE IS PURCHASING ALL THE CATERING EQUIPMENT FROM THE FORMER TENANT
FOR £1,500.00. HE NEEDS US TO PAY HIM THIS AMOUNT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS EQUIPMENT WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD ORDER. TO HELP US WITH OUR CASH
FLOW VINCE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT PAYMENT BY INSTALMENTS.

THE BUSINESS RATES ARE BETWEEN £5.00 AND ZERO PER MONTH.

THERE IS NO GAS AND I AM ASSURED THAT THE ELECTRIC IS QUITE AFFORDABLE
ON A VERY AFFORDABLE TARIFF.

THE ITEMS WE CAN SELL TO MAKE PROFIT ARE PORRIDGE, SANDWICHES,
SOUP, RED BUSH NATURALLY CAFFEINE FREE TEA, HOT PUDDINGS AND ICECREAM
ALL AT A £.

A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN INTRODUCED ME TO HIS DAUGHTER WHO RUNS THE CAFE
IN THE MARKET AT BESSEMER ROAD IN CARDIFF WHO THEN INTRODUCED ME TO
HER OLD SCHOOL WHOLSALER, TONY WHO WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ME
PROVIDING SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD AND THERE WAS NOBODY IN THIS MARKET SO
WE WOULD BE PIONEERING THE INTRODUCTION OF SIMPLE HEALTHY FOOD LIKE
THE OLD SHOOL STEWS AND SOUPS.

OUR COSTS WOULD BE MINIMAL ESPECIALLY AS WE WOULD BE USING VOLUNTEERS.

CONTAINERS FOR BEVERAGES CAN BE PURCHASED AT £1.95 - £3.00 PER SLEEVE.

GROSS PROFIT MARGIN SHOULD RANGE FROM 50% TO 80%.

WITH SPREADING THE KJV WORD OF GOD WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK DIRECT TO
CUSTOMERS, GIVE OUT LITERATURE, PLAY MEDIA AND SHOW VIDEOS PLUS
EDUCATE THROUGH POSTERS.

I BELIEVE TAKING ON THIS ENTERPRISE WILL ENABLE US TO DO MUCH MORE
GIVING OUT THE GOSPEL AND ENABLE US TO BE ON A MORE SOUND FINANCIAL
BASE AND BE WELL PLACED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.

VINCE HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE CHARITY GIVES HIM A SMALL FLEXIBLE
REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT SO THAT THE PREMISES ARE OURS AND HE WILL NO
LONGER NEED TO DEAL WITH THE GROWING QUEUE OF COMPETITORS TO OURSELVES.

SHALOM, VICTORY AND BLESSINGS

Clive

REV CLIVE S BATE

E MAIL 5: CB FURTHER BUSINESS LETTER

  • The objective of presenting this primary evidence, actual e mails outlining the vision from CB is to show the pressure being put on us all by Clive Stanley Bate, a clear covenant over this taking place of all working together to meeting the objectives outlined by CB. Here however he writes to the Landlord over offices and the shop intimating his walking out on us with the consequences this has brought, the mail showing a complete change around from stated positions.

50 HOLTON ROAD

 

PASTOR CLIVE S BATE <clive.cbchristian.bate@googlemail.com>

Thu, 12 Jul 2018, 09:48

 

 

to vince.d, me

 

DEAR VINCE,

TO UPDATE YOU ON THE SITUATION WITH THE SANDWICH SHOP, THE 1st FLOOR
OFFICE AND THE TOP FLOOR OFFICE I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM DAVID AND
BASICALLY THEY SAY THAT DAVID WILL PAY RENT FROM THE MONEY THAT I HAD
PAID INTO THE LCMI CHARITY ACCOUNT TO THE FRESH BACON COMPANY. ON
11/07/2018 HE EMAILED TO SAY THAT HE HAD TRIED TO TRANSFER FUNDS BUT
BARCLAYS SITE NOT WORKING IN CONGO.

DAVID IS DUE BACK IN THE UK ON THE EVENING OF15/07/2018 SO
REALISTICALLY THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PRACTICAL ACTION WILL BE
ON THE FIRST AVAILABLE WORKING DAY , WHICH IS MONDAY 16/07/2018.

DAVID HAS INFORMED ME THAT I AM TO RETURN THE SANDWICH BAR TO YOU SO
VOLUNTEER STUART AND MYSELF ARE CLEANING AND CLEARING IT SO THAT A NEW

TENANT CAN TAKE IT OVER.

IN ADDITION TO ANY PROSECTIVE TENANTS THAT YOU MAY KNOW OF, THE YOUNG
MAN WITH THE SCOOTER WHO WORKS IN THE 1st LINE TAXI OFFICE HAS A
FRIEND WHO WAS INTERESTED IN BUYING THE LEASE SO THAT COULD BE WORTH
YOU FOLLOWING UP.

ALTHOUGH BOTH LCMI AND MYSELF ARE ABOUT SERVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE EACH HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THAT AND I AM
SEPARATING MYSELF FROM LCMI SO THAT I CAN FOCUS ON MY VISION OF
MISSION.

REGARDING THE 1st FLOOR OFFICE I PROPOSE THAT I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR IT FROM 16/07/2018 AND PAY HALF THE JULY RENT AND FROM 1st AUGUST
CONTINUE WITH PAYING YOU AS DUE ON THE 1st OF EACH MONTH. THIS SHOULD
HELP DAVID WITH CASH FLOW MANAGEMENT AND ENABLE BOTH MINISTRIES TO BE
MORE EFFICIENT.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO CARRY ON WITH THE TOP FLOOR OFFICE SO I NEED TO
FIND OUT WHAT LCMI WOULD WANT TO DO.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT ACTIONS YOU WANT ME TO TAKE AND WHEN IS

CONVENIENT TO MEET.

INVOICE TO JEZEBEL - £49,118-44

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3)  The Use of our Charity Name after Resignation, and suspected collecting of Charity Funds at Tesco Supermarkets not for this Charity.

 

Time after time, communication after communication we have made attempts to negotiate with Clive Stanley Bate as we have intimated. In June 2019 we travelled from Scotland to meet up at Holton Road, Barry to a pre-arranged meeting, a meeting that did not happen, CB not turning up. Pictures were taken of the property that showed on one poster the continued use of our charity name.

 

In view of this letters have been sent to Tesco Management (copy following) locally to check the credentials of Clive Stanley Bate should he still be collecting at their supermarkets. Also, government agencies (copies following) with which he claims to be connected have also been informed to ensure that they know that CB is not connected with us.

 

15/10/2019 13:06:22

Attention of Tesco Store Management in the Cardiff and Barry Area

For some time it was to our understanding that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE representing this Charity collected monies at some of your supermarkets. We thank you so much for giving him this opportunity.

However, in October last year he resigned continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues to collect funds at your stores showing our Charity name. We suggest you check his charity credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We trust this makes the position clear, we are happy to provide more information should it be required.

Yours sincerely,

 

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

 

17/10/2019 09:52:09

GVS

Barry Community Enterprise Centre

Skomer Road

Barry

CF62 9DA

For some time it was to our understanding that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE representing this Charity attended your meetings and represented this Charity.

However, in October last year he resigned continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues representing this Charity with you. We suggest you check his charity credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We trust this makes the position clear, we are happy to provide more information should it be required.

Yours sincerely,

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

 

17/10/2019 09:52:54

Attention of Dewis Cymru via their website - https://www.dewis.wales/SearchResults.aspx?q=*&loc=CF63+4HE&d=5&c=

Re AWJCG, Barry (that appears on your website)

Please note that CLIVE STANLEY BATE based at 50 Holton Road, Barry, CF63 4HE no longer represents this charity and Church Ministry. It is noted on your site that CB still calls himself “Rev” although he has had this ordination withdrawn from us, although he could have received an ordination from another organisation. We have tried to find out as to whom his oversight might be but without success.

In October last year he resigned from us, continuing we understand at Holton Road a ministry, still showing our Charity name on its door. Our concern is that he still continues representing this Charity with you. We suggest you check his charity and ministry credentials noting that it is now not this charity that he represents.

We note the services advertised on your site, it being our view that there needs to be an oversight of the ministry that seems to not exist, indeed it seems now that this is a one man band, although of course he may have an oversight that we know nothing about. Our view is that it needs checking, we having concern that the services being shown here can indeed be provided in a professional way.

In the past funds for the operation have been collected from supermarkets, we contacting Tesco management in your area to check that he has charity credentials for this activity, as he no longer represents us.

We are here to be completely open and transparent with you about this, for some years Clive was a trustee and Minister with us, but please note this ended last October.

Yours sincerely,

 

David P Griffiths – Trustee and Minister

We are concerned that Clive Stanley Bate is collecting funds from supermarkets using our Charity name, not having a registered charity of his own, not producing independently produced accounts and not having the correct insurances, procedures and policies for the services he claims to provide on government websites.

 

Further as we discover on the other side of the poster clearly visible to readers is the name of our Charity, hence we have informed Tesco and government agencies of this so they can be aware that funds may be collected in our name and registration, it being interesting to note that the authority being claimed here for operations is God – Elohim, ignoring it would seem the principles of open and transparent accounting and the keeping of procedures and policies; ignoring too the Biblical command of an oversight on earth, Clive Bate on being questioned on this relating to God in heaven rather than his prophets, his people on earth.

 

1 Corinthians 14:32 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

4)  The Breaking of the Policies of this Charity and lack of accounting practice particularly in relation to shop stock. In addition a deal made with Payzone on behalf of the Charity unapproved by trustees, him persuading Rev Haroon Masih to sign it with him.

 

Major back up was given to Clive Stanley Bate in relation to the setting up of the shop, the right insurances, policies and procedures etc., not only for the shop but also the offices he ran in the Charity’s name, one office we understand he continues to run at 50 Holton Road.

 

These policies relate to MANAGING VOLUNTEERS which has a procedure for “settling differences”, a procedure CB failed to respond to. Further policies relate to Handling Complaints, EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES POLICY that demands all people be dealt with dignity and respect, HEALTH AND SAFETY POLICY, and a PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND VULNERABLE ADULTS POLICY.

 

As regards to EXPENSES POLICY it is our view that Clive Stanley Bate has clearly broken this by not giving annual reports of his operations and not keeping account of stock and not collating receipts. This is what we have intimated to CB and to trustees in the monthly procedural reports.

 

THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED AN ANNUAL  REPORT and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for the 17-18 costs of Barry – also for the time during 18-19

 

 THE MINISTRY AT BARRY STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED THESE RECEIPTS and so in my view legally we have invoiced Clive for these costs of Barry –

 

 

Receipts: 2018 June

 Barry Stock: £1; £1-09; £5; £1; £1-49; £1; £7-70; £0-78; £6-42; £5-05; £0-65; £1-09; £1; £18; £7-09; £2; £7-60; £16-75 =       £84-71

Receipts: 2018 May

Shop Supplies

£130-99

12 05 18               Wilko                                        May 61                               1-00

14 05 18               Wilko                                        May 62                               2-00

16 05 18               Morrisons                                May 63                               4-20

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 64                               8-45

16 05 18               Tesco                                         May 65                               2-40 

17 05 18               Asda                                          May 66                               22-00

17 05 18               Lidl                                             May 67                               14-99

17 05 18               Nisbets                                     May 68                               17-96

18 05 18               Solution Express                    May 69                               19-20

21 05 18               Wilko                                        May 70                               0-60

21 05 18               Tesco                                         May 71                               4-00

22 05 18               Tesco                                         May 72                               3-68

22 05 18               IKEA                                May 73                                      4-25

23 05 18               Tesco                                         May 74                               8-00

23 05 18               IKEA                                May 75                                      3-90

25 05 18               WILKO                                      May 76                               0-60

25 05 18               TESCO                                       May 77                               3-59

25 05 18               Frangoulis                      May 78                                      5-00

27 05 18               Tesco                                         May 79                               1-05

27 05 18               Home Bargains                       May 80                               2-27

  1. 5 18               Wilko                                        May 81                               1-25 

 

Receipts and explanations will deal with this expenditure, and financial accountability to give to our accountant with an annual report – plus a further report for activities in Barry during year 18-19. These are required Clive as considerable Charity expenditure has gone through the Charity books and we need to account for us – even the backup funds I personally am putting in as designated offerings to cover the ongoing Barry losses.

 

http://www.ecctv.org/7-year-business-plan

 

As regards to EXPENSES POLICY it is our view that Clive Stanley Bate has clearly broken this by not giving annual reports of his operations and not keeping account of stock and not collating receipts. This is what we have intimated to CB and to trustees in the monthly procedural reports.

 

Further to this is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY which is very detailed forbidding any collaboration in a deal relating to the Charity even with someone where there is a close personal relationship, the language in the emails towards the Landlord giving hint of this, also a SAFEGUARDING POLICY to protect individuals, it being viewed by trustees that the tremendous there has been on remaining trustees by CB is a break of this, further an INFORMATION SECURITY POLICY.

 

This whole matter in relation to trustee responsibility which we put forward Clive Stanley Bate has failed to live up to be as follows:

 

The following has been written by E M Lindsay Griffiths, Procedures Secretary – all matters relating to this now must be referred to the Procedures Secretary who will place replies towards trustees.

 

Legal Addendum re Role & Responsibilities of Trustees

(1) Declaration of Trust – founding legal document of LCMI Church South Cheshire Trust:

Page 9: GENERAL PROVISIONS

27.“ANY Trustee dissenting from any lawful decision of the majority of the Trustees shall nevertheless concur in executing and doing all such instruments and acts as may be requisite for the purpose of giving effect to such decision.”

Page 9: TRUSTEES AND SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY

29. “THE spiritual government and leadership of the Church Fellowship for the purpose of which the Trust has been established shall remain with the recognised spiritual leadership of the Church Fellowship and to the extent to which the Trustees are not synonymous with the church leadership their powers shall be confined to the proper management and administration of the Trust Fund in accordance with the provisions of this Deed and in furtherance of the said objects and in so doing they shall have full and proper regard to such spiritual leadership provided always that they shall not act outside their powers as conferred by this Deed and by the general law.”

Please note that clause 29 above relates directly to 2 documents referred to in the main body of this letter:

A. 2017 BIBLE COLLEGE WALES MINISTRY MANUAL

B. BIBLE COLLEGE WALES God’s Government and order for the Church.

(2) Trustee Duties & Responsibilities – A Summary:

Charity Trustees: What you need to know, what you need to do (OSCR – Scottish Charity Regulator: www.oscr.org.uk

“1. Always do what is best for your charity: as a charity trustee you have a legal responsibility to put the interests of your charity above your own interests.

 2. Know your charitable purpose(s): everything you do should be directed at achieving only the purposes set out in your governing document.

 3. Understand your charity’s finances: all the charity trustees are responsible for the charity’s finances and must have access to the financial records.

 4. Act with care and diligence: you have to protect your charity including its beneficiaries, assets and reputation.

 5. Have a copy of your governing document: know what it says, understand what it means, and what you have to do.

 6. Declare and manage conflicts of interest: All charity trustees have a collective responsibility to manage conflicts of interest and to act in the charity’s interests.

 7. Understand your charity’s legal responsibilities: make sure your charity is meeting its legal duties under charity law and other relevant laws

8. Work together for the good of the charity: all the charity trustees are collectively responsible for making sure that the charity is run responsibly and lawfully.”

(3) Charity Commission for England and Wales: Booklet CC3“The essential trustee: what you need to know, what you need to do”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-essential-trustee-what-you-need-to-know-cc3

1.1 Must and should - what they mean

In this guidance:

  • ‘must’ means something is a legal or regulatory requirement or duty that trustees must comply with

  • ‘should’ means something is good practice that the Commission expects trustees to follow and apply to their charity

Following the good practice specified in this guidance will help you to run your charity effectively, avoid difficulties and comply with your legal duties. Charities vary in terms of their size and activities. Consider and decide how best to apply this good practice to your charity’s circumstances. The Commission expects you to be able to explain and justify your approach, particularly if you decide not to follow good practice in this guidance.

In some cases you will be unable to comply with your legal duties if you do not follow the good practice. For example:

Your legal duty

It’s vital that you

Act in your charity’s best interests

Deal with conflicts of interest

Manage your charity’s resources responsibly

Implement appropriate financial controls 
Manage risks

Act with reasonable care and skill

Take appropriate advice when you need to, for example when buying or selling land, or investing (in some cases this is a legal requirement)

Trustees who act in breach of their legal duties can be held responsible for consequences that flow from such a breach and for any loss the charity incurs as a result. When the Commission looks into cases of potential breach of trust or duty or other misconduct or mismanagement, it may take account of evidence that trustees have exposed the charity, its assets or its beneficiaries to harm or undue risk by not following good practice.

2. Trustees’ duties at a glance

[Including the following most important and relevant sections]

2.3 Act in your charity’s best interests

You must:

  • do what you and your co-trustees (and no one else) decide will best enable the charity to carry out its purposes

  • with your co-trustees, make balanced and adequately informed decisions, thinking about the long term as well as the short term

  • avoid putting yourself in a position where your duty to your charity conflicts with your personal interests or loyalty to any other person or body

  • not receive any benefit from the charity unless it is properly authorised and is clearly in the charity’s interests; this also includes anyone who is financially connected to you, such as a partner, dependent child or business partner

2.4 Manage your charity’s resources responsibly

You must act responsibly, reasonably and honestly. This is sometimes called the duty of prudence. Prudence is about exercising sound judgement. You and your co-trustees must:

  • make sure the charity’s assets are only used to support or carry out its purposes

  • avoid exposing the charity’s assets, beneficiaries or reputation to undue risk

  • not over-commit the charity

  • take special care when investing or borrowing

  • comply with any restrictions on spending funds or selling land

You and your co-trustees should put appropriate procedures and safeguards in place and take reasonable steps to ensure that these are followed. Otherwise you risk making the charity vulnerable to fraud or theft, or other kinds of abuse, and being in breach of your duty.

6.2 Making decisions

You and your co-trustees are ultimately responsible for deciding what activities the charity will undertake, what resources it will need, how it will obtain and use them. Collective decision making is one of the most important parts of the trustee role. Some decisions are simple and straightforward; others can be complex or far reaching in their consequences. When you and your co-trustees make decisions about your charity, you must:

  • act within your powers

  • act in good faith, and

  • make sure you are sufficiently informed, taking any advice you need

  • take account of all relevant factors you are aware of

  • ignore any irrelevant factors

  • deal with conflicts of interest and loyalty

  • make decisions that are within the range of decisions that a reasonable trustee body could make in the circumstances

You should record how you made more significant decisions in case you need to review or explain them in the future.

6.5 Avoid mistakes - deal with conflicts of interest

Conflicts of interest (and conflicts of loyalty) are more common than people often think. If one of your fellow trustees appears to have a conflict of interest you should say so; you are not calling their integrity into question by doing so.

In deciding how to deal with a conflict of interest, trustees should be mindful of what feels right, and also how others might view the trustees’ actions.

Where conflicts of interest have not been identified or properly dealt with, it can have negative impacts on both the charity and individual trustees including financial cost and reputational damage. Because the trustees have acted in breach of their duty, decisions may be called into question or legally challenged. The Commission may have to take regulatory action to protect the charity from further harm or to deal with any misconduct or mismanagement by the trustees.

7.1 Managing risks

A risk is anything that could, if it happened, affect your charity achieving its purposes or carrying out its plans. All charities face some risks. The risks your charity might face will depend on factors such as its size, funding and activities. For example, managing property, employing staff, using volunteers, using IT, working with children or people at risk, or implementing change all involve elements of risk.

You and your co-trustees should manage risk responsibly. You have a duty to avoid exposing your charity to undue risk. This doesn’t mean being risk averse. Risk management is the process of identifying and assessing risks, and deciding how to deal with them. It may involve an element of responsible risk taking, and is central to how trustees make decisions.

7.6 Managing property (land and buildings)

If the charity owns or rents land or buildings, you and your co-trustees should:

  • make sure the property is recorded as belonging to the charity - see section 11 of this guidance

  • know on what terms it’s held

  • ensure it’s properly maintained

  • make sure the charity has sufficient insurance

[Comment: Bullet points 1, 2, and 4 were all carried out, 1 and 2 concerning the Lease document; insurance in point 4 were put in place by the Charity’s headquarters staff, together with health and safety notices, and posters for the premises.]

10. Reduce the risk of liability

It’s extremely rare, but not impossible, for charity trustees to be held personally liable:

  • to their charity, for a financial loss caused by them acting improperly

  • to a third party that has a legal claim against the charity that the charity can’t meet

Understanding potential liabilities will help you to protect yourself and your charity by taking action to reduce the risk. This includes complying with duties covered in this guidance. It also includes deciding whether your charity should become incorporated.

10.1 Personal liability to the charity

Trustees can be held liable to their charity for any financial loss they cause or help to cause. This applies to any type of charity whatever its legal form.

The law generally protects trustees who have acted honestly and reasonably from personal liability to their charity. The Commission and the courts:

  • can relieve trustees from liability if they have acted honestly and reasonably and have not benefited from their actions

  • rarely enforce liability on an unpaid trustee who has made an honest mistake

  • expect higher standards from trustees who act in a professional

Trustees who receive an unauthorised payment or benefit from their charity have a duty to account for (ie repay) it. The Commission can’t relieve trustees from this duty.

There is no legal protection for trustees who have acted dishonestly, negligently or recklessly. However, there may be financial protection for those trustees who have made an honest mistake and can rely on the indemnity provisions in the charity’s governing document, insurance cover or relief from the Commission or the court.

10.2 Liability to third parties

Charities or their trustees can become liable to a third party who has a claim against the charity such as:

  • breaches of an employee’s terms, conditions or rights

  • failing to pay for goods or services, or to fulfil the terms of a contract

  • a member of the public being injured on the charity’s premises

  • liability to any staff pension scheme

If the charity is incorporated, the charity itself will be liable for the claim. Some types of incorporated body (companies, CIOs and Community Benefit Societies) can specifically limit the liability of their trustees and members.

If the charity is unincorporated, the trustees have to sign contracts and other agreements personally, and will have to meet any claim. The charity can normally meet any liabilities that you incur as a trustee provided you have acted honestly and reasonably. (Some charities also have power to indemnify trustees against liability arising from an honest mistake.) But if you incur liabilities that exceed the value of the charity’s assets, you could be liable for any amount that the charity can’t cover.

[Comment: as a Trust, we in LCMI are unincorporated]

 

Notes from OSCR Video by Investment Consultant: ‘Top 10 Tips for Trustees” www.oscr.org.uk

[This extract is from ‘OSCR Reporter’ Magazine for December 2018, section titled ‘Charity Investments: Guidance & Good Practice.”]

 Key points to help you make decisions about your charity’s investments:

1. Understand your charity’s finances, including investments

All the charity trustees are collectively responsible for the charity’s investments and should have access to investment valuations and reports (not just the Treasurer or Finance/Investment Committee). 

2. Check your investment powers

Understand what, if anything, your governing document says about investments and any legislation relevant to your charity’s legal form. 

3. Know your charity trustee duties

You must make sure that any investment activities are in the best interests of the charity, weighing up the pros and cons before making a decision that could significantly impact the running of the charity.

4. Consider your charity’s reputation

Your reputation is an asset to be protected. Charity trustees have a duty to act with care and diligence to protect a charity’s assets and reputation.

5. Get help and advice if you need it

Consider what help or advice you need to support your charity in making decisions about its investments. 

6. Create an investment policy statement

It’s good practice for charity trustees to record policy decisions, keep them under review and include the information in your annual report and accounts.

7. Think about your charity’s purposes

Consider how you connect your investments with your charity’s purposes and delivery of your strategy. 

8. Think about the range of investments

Understand there are different kinds of returns, measured in different ways: financial, social, environmental or otherwise – think about what is right for your charity.

9. Understand your responsibilities  

You may have power to delegate investment decisions to an investment manager, but you retain overall responsibility.

10. Keep up to speed 

Stay up to date with investment developments through events, seminars and other training.

Conclusion:

All relevant points are highlighted 

All 4 sources are referenced.

IT IS OUR CONTENTION THAT THERE HAS BEEN COLLUSION HERE THAT HAVE COST THE CHARITY THOUSANDS – false statements made, an attitude change by Clive Stanley Bate since the coming in of Fanta Fofana, for since her arrival there has been no accounting for charity expenditure, no giving back of charity goods, no annual reports of activity and there has been clear evidences of controls here, borne out by the witness statements, there being clear threat to vulnerable people here.

 

We believe there to be a personal interest here leading to a control that to date has cost the Charity thousands of pounds, which we believe we should claim back from Jezebel, in addition to any compensations due to us from false assurances from those under her spell.

5)  WITNESS STATEMENTS TO THE CASE AGAINST JEZEBEL

  • Carole MacIntosh, Former Tenant of the Shop

 

From: carole mackintosh <carole-mackintosh1@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: 16 March 2020 14:26
To: mail@davidjoneslaw.co.uk <mail@davidjoneslaw.co.uk>
Subject: 50C Holton Road Barry/Vince Driscoll

 

FAO of Dylan Moore

 

Good afternoon....I had a very interesting conversation with your client David Griffiths last week and he has asked me to send you any relevant information that could help your case regarding above property.

 

I was a tenant of the property from Feb 2014 until Jan 2018.I had a good business  but decided to end it due to the stress being caused by Vince Driscoll. Since vacating he has continued to harass me. He claims I owe him money which I certainly do not. My last contact with him was about a year ago when I simply said via his solicitor Max Wooton of CJCH Thompson St Barry that I was not paying money I did not owe. Since Jan 19 I have been pursued by BES Utiiities for electric dated from 1st Feb 18. I vacated Jan 18. They have asked Vince for confirmation that I left property but he would not do this....eventually he lied and said I left Jan 19. I have informed BES there was a new tenant from approx March 18 and they have requested a copy of the lease. David tells me you can provide me with this which will be an amazing help as I am quite literally at my wits end with the hassle from this company.

 

I have read Davids link re your complaint against Vince/Clive/Council and would be happy to help in any way I can.

 

I can confirm business rates at zero....I paid nothing in 4 years. I can confirm that Vince will have stated that he would not hold you to a 3 year lease....just 2 months to find a new tenant as he said exactly the same to me. I live approx 50 yards from the property....there has been someone inside painting...I presume a new tenant. Two weeks ago the tall stand up drinks fridge had been put outside for collection by rubbish men.

 

In relation to the sale of the shops equipment from myself to your client then Vince was middle man. I paid Vince £3500 when I took lease for everything in shop.....this was apparently price asked by previous tenant. I did not question it. Vince told me your client offered to buy same items from me for £750. I refused however said I would accept £1000 as I really wanted to be done with the whole situation. David tells me that Vince charged him £1500 for equipment ! 

 

My final year at property was made increasingly difficult by Vince. I had called Welsh Water out and it came to light that I was paying the water bill for two other businesses in the building. Vince was aware of this. One had a sub meter but WW had not been taking readings and deducting....one had no sub meter and WW told Vince to put one in as it was his responsibility. He agreed but never did. I therefore made deductions from his rent to balance this. He became quite aggressive with me over this. The water heater broke....Vince said he would replace but didn't. Told me to get a new one and he would pay. He then never. Once again I deducted from rent. Vince had major grant work on outside of building. My shutters were removed but never replaced. When I questioned this with council Mr Viv Hinds-Payne told me Vince had said all tenants had said they no longer wanted them at a meeting he held. No meeting ever happened. No shutters affected my security and insurance plus let in a lot of heat....this caused problems with my large deli fridge failing ...more cost to me. Vince told me to sort blinds which I did.....again refused to pay bill so I deducted. Mr Hinds- Payne eventually refused to work with Vince as he was causing problems with him at council.

 

Vince is very well known in Barry but not for good reasons. He received a very hefty fine a number of years ago due to bad hygiene practices when he had the Fresh Bacon Company. Another tenant of his had him banned from entering his business due to hassle caused. He made headlines not so long ago when he opened dog kennels at his home in Dinas Powis without the relevant planning permission. He has numerous court cases over the years where he tries to sue people. He is locally known as a crook and a swindler. People that have done work for him are always chasing him for payment. He can be aggressive....threatened to ruin my business and run me out of town. I know of someone he offered money to to 'beat' another person. However he is a local councillor for the conservative party also!

 

In relation to Clive Bates....although I do not know the man well he had offices above shop for a number of years. I generally kept my distance as found him odd. The african lady he mentions as volunteering in his shop is a local lady called Rita. She approached me a while back asking what I thought of Clive as he had started attending her religous/community group but was not very popular with others. She said he had suggested taking a group of children to North Wales head office but she said CRB check would have to take place. He got angsty and refused ......very suspicious in my opinion. An elderly lady one dropped something into the offices for Clive (asked another tenant to pass on for her) he said she was very distressed and anxious to leave building without seeing him. When Clive had shop I would often see him sat in there although the shop never opened. Often there was boxes of vegetables and other foodstuffs/stock on counter.

 

I'm not sure how relevant any of this information is to you? But happy for you to call me if you have any particular questions. My number is 07970014995.

 

Regards

Carole Mackintosh

 

SUMMARY OF POINTS HERE AND OUR REPLY THAT STATES OUR CONVICTION

 

This witness statement illustrates LIES, LIES, LIES and UNDERHAND DEALING.

 

  • History here stated by a previous tenant – a testimony consistent with verbal statements to me (DPG) by Angela of Knights and Joe Turner.

 

  • A Drinks Fridge being thrown out – but we had paid £1,500 for this equipment minus a final payment of £333-33 which we had never paid – yet equipment we had partially paid for was being thrown out!

 

  • If this witness statement is correct Vincent Driscoll had lied to us and to Carole over the purchase of equipment running one against the other, we being assured by former Trustee Clive Bate of Vince’s honesty.

 

  • Carole gives account of inconsistency of Vince’s behaviour. We can see this in our dealings too combined with the assurances of Clive Bate, it is our position that we were conned into this lease.

 

  • Carole mentions a Mr Hinds-Payne who seems to have had difficulties with Vince.

 

  • Carole mentions the poor reputation Vincent Driscoll had and this is borne out by others in testimony to. The Wales On Line website gives a case of bad practice –

 

 

Carole goes onto declare gangster style tactics to beat others, we being a ministry who have had to endure threats in the past, on one occasion we having all the evidence on someone who was protected by the Irish “no prosecution” list and wonder whether this is the same here! There is a pattern coming here in the witness statements, of our experience, of Carole’s, of the statements of Knights Estate Agents, Joe Turner and so forth all going alongside an on-line reputation. Is has to be asked whether this man is protected as we have experienced in the past.

 

  • Carole makes two points of concern in relation to Clive Bate. Please note from the Charity-Ministry Clive Bate had received our ministry manuals in relation to conduct. We have a principle of operation that looks to bring the conditions for individual themselves to hear from God, not give words from “God” over what they should do. Our manuals are at https://www.thebiblecollegeofwales.org/bible-assemblies

 

We knew nothing of Clive Bate wanting to take children to North Wales, this seeming to be at a time after his meeting with Fanta Fofana, who we have heard has had her own children taken away by Social Services. We are deeply concerned about this and ask professional opinion over what we should do about these concerns.

 

It is clear that Clive Bate had taken an anti-nomian approach to our manuals, procedures and policies and so we removed his ordination from us. When asked who his ordaining body is now, he refused to answer except say which is a kingly title. It is our belief he operates now with a false title “Reverend” and we have proven still uses our Ministry name on the door of 50 Holton Road, this being the case as at Summer of 2019. We believe him to be a danger to vulnerable people thus our warning to government bodies who were advertising his services.

 

  • Carole gives evidence of vegetables/foodstuffs in the sandwich shop and we have record of such items being paid for on the charity credit card – but we have had no return on sales and do not know where the stock went.

 

  • 24 02 18 CAROLE MACINTOSH confirms being threatened by utility firm BES for payments for a time we apparently hold the lease for.

 

  • Rev Barry Trayhorn – Trustee and Minister of LCMI Trust

 

STATEMENT by Rev Barry Trayhorn

 

During 26/27 May 2018 I visited the ministry of Clive Bate at Barry, South Wales with my friend and ministry colleague Steve Henkle.

 

This is what I discovered .......

 

1) Words from "God" of Control rather than Edification, Exhortation and Comfort: our ministry ethos is to bring the conditions for people to hear from God for themselves, but this was very different, through a lady from Sierra Leone direction words were being given that manifest through the ministry of Clive Bate who looked to control us into being in our view cult members, having to do what he says.

 

2) Community Services rather than Christian Mission: being a blessing to the community is very important but what I saw here was very different with a targeting of vulnerable homeless people, it being interesting to note the provision of mattresses in a commercial office in the centre of Barry which in my view is illegal. At the time there was a Polish man there coming under this kind of ministry. I found this concerning. If he was looking to take over our lives then how much more would this be a threat to the vulnerable?

 

I have worked in a Sex Offenders Prison at HMP Littlehey, Cambridgeshire and saw the techniques of sex offenders in buttering people up. This is clearly how the grooming system works and I see a parallel, and whilst I have no evidence of this being the case, I did witness the signs being there, it particularly concerning me of his plans to take children to North Wales.

 

3) Strange Behaviour: we were assured of accommodation for our ministry visit but this was far from satisfactory. We arrived at the house of the lady of Sierra Leone at about 12-1 in the morning being offered a double bed for us both, the bed however having been wee weed on! One meal was strange too with everyone eating off the same plate, Clive being quite grumpy, irritable and difficult during what was a difficult weekend.

 

4) Attitude towards the Charity shop was very disturbing. It was not open even though Clive Bate had the key, a key he has never handed over on resigning as a Minister and Trustee. His excuse for not opening the shop was that the Charity had not allowed him to have volunteers. As a current trustee I know that this is far from the truth, I hearing from David Griffiths that he could not digitally sign a government volunteer recruitment website because it demanded that the Charity take on volunteers of all faiths and philosophies. However, Clive Bate had named the shop as the "Holy Ghost Snak Bar" as an evangelistic as well as profitable exercise, and so it was obvious that only Christians could work in such an operation. A Muslim will not get the job as Pope, a Christian an Imam and so on, the decision was taken in that context that Clive was looking for Christian ministers to run what he showed to be an evangelistic crusade.

 

5) Use of the title "Reverend": He emphasized this and can see that he still does. He clearly used the title as a way of control, and the Ministry to which I belong withdrew his ordination. I understand Clive has not intimated his current body of ordination, it being my view that the ministry at Barry is far from Christian. I view the ministry as unqualified to offer a 24 hour helpline and be of help to vulnerable people, indeed I see Clive Bate as a threat to them, it concerning me that he has not accounted for Charity expenditure or shown any compassion towards, me, our Charity or towards others.

 

SUMMARY OF POINTS HERE AND OUR REPLY

 

  • Barry’s Point 1 gives evidence again of a controlling figure, alien to our Ministry Manuals.

 

  • There is an alignment here with the concerns of Carole MacIntosh and vulnerable people. It is not legal to house people in commercial premises so why were there mattresses in offices??????? We as a ministry did however take out a CRB check on Clive and found it clear. Barry’s experience however working with sex offenders gives clear alarms bells in our view.

 

  • Strange Behaviour – we believe the whole story is strange!

 

  • Report of not caring less about the shop – our evidential e mails show the enthusiasm from Clive to trustees to get us to take on the shop – yet now with an excuse given to Barry Trayhorn – the shop was not to open despite of stock being bought! It is true to say that we would not sign a government volunteer form demanding we take on anyone, but an Christian evangelistic outreach as stated requires Christian volunteers, an Islamic outreach requires Muslims, an Hindu outreach requires Hindus. It is not that we are prejudice but to run for MP for the Conservative Party you need to be a Conservative and so forth.

 

The question to be asked therefore that as a Christian of Barry for many years, why could he not get Christian volunteers? It is all very odd, and the testimony of Carole MacIntosh gives clues to this.

 

  • This ministry uses the term “reverend” as an activity rather than a title, but clearly this is not the case with Clive Bate. This is a ministry supported by government agencies but without credibility and we believe there are dangerous signs of control here. We see him as a serious threat to vulnerable people. We also believe he has been collecting funds from Tesco Supermarkets, as we have told Tesco that he is no longer part of this Charity, he still using our Charity name on his notice on 50 Holton Road.

 

THIS THEREFORE IS OUR LEGAL CASE, A CASE THAT WE ARE DETERMINED TO CONCLUDE WITH THE CHARITY PROPERLY COMPENSATED, INDEED THE SEVENFOLD RETURN THAT COMES IN EXPOSING THE JEZEBEL - THE REAL CULPRIT HERE - NOT FLESH AND BLOOD BUT JEZEBEL.

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